(en) France, Alternative Libertaire AL #243 - Interview with a Ukrainian anarcho-communist "Anarchists have become the main obstacle to anarchy" (fr, pt)

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Donetsk, a city in south-eastern Ukraine was the scene of clashes between pro-Russian 
separatists and Ukrainian population. A libertarian communist activist who lives there and 
campaigning gives us some tools to understand what forces and the reasons for the weakness 
of the libertarian movement. ---- What is the situation in Ukraine? ---- Life continues 
with two parallel realities: people continue their daily life, with children around, with 
the same place of the dead, violence, hatred. The division of society grows stronger every 
day. It is a political revolution of the national bourgeoisie in the context of civil war 
and ill-disguised Russian intervention. ---- What is the social composition of the 
protesters Southeast and those of Maidan? ---- Maidan and separatist South East does not 
greatly differ from one another. Both bring together a variety of social classes, 
intellectuals, employees, contractors, rural, students, lumpenproletariat, former 
military... All become hostages and puppets economic clans.

Maidan people have the power of new oligarchs, and the people of Southeast ensure the 
order of the family of deposed President Yanukovych and his master's in Moscow. All this 
rhetoric is flavored with nationalism. With the result of bloody wounds and anger for 
decades. In fact, the enemy is the Kremlin, the Capitol and the Bundestag. Leaders Maidan 
as the separatist leaders are fractions of the national bourgeoisie and its radical elements.

In the East, they scare people with Pravyi Sektr ("Sector Law") and the call to fight 
fascism, as they are inspired by the imperial fascism of the Russian nation. In Donetsk, 
according to their logic, you have the choice between being Russian or be a fascist. For a 
Ukrainian word, you are beaten or killed. It happened at Maidan and it happens now in the 
Southeast.

What about the referendum of May 11 [1]?

This is a referendum marked by its polling without observers and under the watchful eye of 
masked person. It was a farce is part of a strategy aimed at creating popular independent 
republics, and then apply for admission in the Russian Federation. But there is a lot of 
people from Donetsk and its region who favor a united Ukraine. The separatists are better 
organized, have better administrative resources and support from the neighboring state, 
that's all.

Do you think that there are Russian experts in the Southeast?

I do not think, I can confirm. And many of them are in training bases in the Donetsk and 
Lugansk, where groups of 400 to 500 local volunteers and Russia are coached by military 
instructors direction. (...) The majority of people who are fighting under the flag of the 
separatists are local, ordinary workers or military veterans. But a significant number and 
authoritative is trained volunteers who organize the Russian process. Supplies, weapons 
and money from Russia. The current head of government of the self-proclaimed "People's 
Republic" in Donetsk Boroday strategist appointed by the Kremlin administration.

Will it a possibility that the protests turn into a social revolution?

For now, this is an unlikely scenario. A social revolution is possible only in the 
presence of two factors: a massive demand for radical change and the political 
organization of the revolutionary wing anarchists, who will be able to defend the change 
process.

In reality, there is no demand for a social revolution. The only change is conceived 
within a political framework. And even those timid shoots anti-autoritaritarisme that may 
have arisen, as they are not supported by a strong anti-authoritarian revolutionary 
organization will be destroyed by the political agenda of the bourgeois and nationalist 
parties.

What are the prospects for anarchists in the current context?

The main problem of the anarchist movement is the lack of an anarchist organization. The 
anarchists were unable to use the situation because they were captives of 
anti-organizational illusions.

The organization is an incubator, a school, a mutual aid society and a productive platform 
for ideas and projects; but most importantly, it is a tool for the realization of ideas, 
it is an instrument of influence and control instrument. It can not be replaced by peer 
groups.

Anarchists today as in 1917, missed the opportunity to be influential in the process. The 
RKAS [2] claiming anarchist Makhno reformist platform has survived many crises, was 
involved in the miners' strike, and had several long-term projects, but were not without 
quarrels and divisions internal.

We can remember the anti-electioneering splitting the RKAS the Mezhdunarodnyj Souz 
Anarkhistov [3] in Donetsk. The separatists argued the alleged authoritarianism RKAS. Once 
freed from the "dictatorship of organizational office RKAS" which was to go into the mines 
and factories, the newspaper spread anarchy, and discuss with the unions and 
cooperatives, and was building a "black guard" self-disciplined, they showed their 
strategic and ideological capacity pasting posters made by hand, with the message "Do not 
go to elections, eat vegetables. "

All attempts to build the organization through the RKAS project resulted in a crusade 
against "authoritarianism and extremism." Finally, anarchists have become the main 
obstacle to anarchy. I used this paradox to bring your attention to this old disease 
"anti-corporate" destructive and irresponsible (...). Perhaps the RKAS reborn taking into 
account all the errors and modernizing; we can create something new. (...) We will not 
give up and we do not disappear.

In what are you involved in now?

Unfortunately, I can not tell you everything. Otherwise, a lot of good people and I have 
multiple problems, and we have a lot of project in the future. RKAS officially was 
dissolved, but its core has shifted in illegal actions.

This is a summary, reshaped by Jacques Dubart, interview an activist RKAS - Revolutionary 
Confederation of anarchist-syndicalists - available on anarkismo.net translated text 
published in English on August 9

[1] 1. As a reminder, it is the self determination referendum in Donetsk which has "asked" 
for unification with Russia.

[2] International Confederation anarchist association.

[3] International Union of Anarchists.