Gerecht debates a Leftist on Hagel and Brennan

Foundation for the Defense of Democracy's Reuel Marc Gerecht discusses the nominations of Chuck Hagel for
Defense Secretary and John Brennan for Director of Central Intelligence with Jessica Tuchman Mathews of the Carnegie Endowment for Peace.

I'm eating at the moment and I almost lost my food when Mathews said that Hagel is a 'pragmatist' just like Barack Obama. Obama is the biggest ideologue